That said, it appears the K46s main issue is an extremely weak clutch inside. Larry Bralley. I just need to know how to put linkage on and adjust so it works right. If one wheel spins during this test the transmission is good. Have the same problem and I even paid a John Deere dealer to install a new transmission and no one said squat about a better stronger transmission and now I am in the same boat again. Does anyone know if Roger has any kits left and if so do they work on an L130? How do I determine which K66 to buy. Can the fluid be emptied and filled with the higher viscosity 90 weight oil with any expectation of at least some improvement or should I use the 5W30 synthetic? Ok, so I’m new to this whole thing and since this is pretty active, feel free to point me to a different thread. It has always been useless going backward, but now even worse, especially with snow blower attachment. I was just into a John Deere dealer to buy some new blades and overheard a salesman pushing this junk. Its not worth it. This will transform your L130 or L120 into a “Super 500,” and except for a few non-performance frills, will equal a $6000+ tractor. aftermarket I bought it new and thought I was getting a good quality mower. Generally I think the tractor is a piece of crapola, except maybe the Kohler engine itself. Have a great weekend and a nice holiday. Remove wire and make note of how far from the bottom end of the wire the oil shows on it. Much appreciated! I have a JD L130 and it would quit pulling after about 15 or 20 minutes. Thanks! The deck howled like a banshee, cuts real nice though, and the blades on it weren’t bad at all. What to do, rebuild or replace the tranny? I’ll be too old to cut my grass and likely be a resident in an independent living facility if /when it settles. We should make this message thread a comparative shopping guide for alternative mower brands to John Deere. (See photos for view of the Index and a sample page.). Same old crap. And although he does not work (or can not) on John Deeres at home as a sideline he does work on other brand of mowers and had everything I needed to remove and install my upgrade. Very frustrated and now to find out i5 may be the transmission and have to shell out as much as the initial purchase, unacceptable. and so costly to repair I dont have a thousand dollars to fix something that shuld have never hapend,,,I see this hydramatic transmission is a lemen. Price not yet determined, but is looking to be less than I originally thought. My drive way is at a 30% slope. I have 127hrs, have been excellent maintain. Did they really prep and prime them before painting? I expect to have them here in August. My local JD dealer said he would install it if I bought it. On a side note , Tuff Torq , who makes the axle, recommends changing the transaxle fluid at 50 hours! I’ve just serviced the unserviceable K46HD, and it helped a little. I have just pulled apart and serviced my failing K46 transaxle to no avail. So If I get another 20 years out of this one which I feel sure I will then my $4,900 was well spent. I realize this post is a little off topic, but I just had to vent. NOT GOOD! I have been thinking of ordering the upgrade K66 From reading all the previous posts ..nope, not going to happen .. I’m sure the kit is a great product and would fix all my problems.. but after this investment not only will I never buy a JD product .. It is still way cheaper then buying a new mower. Same problem. If you buy another “under $5000” tractor, you will soon find yourself in the same fix. Ps: When considering the cost of a new tractor, don’t forget any accessories you would need to replace. Page 1 of 4. Hi Jim, I just forwarded my email to Roger. I have the same trouble, as I note that many others have had, with a Scotts L2048 transaxle. If so, how much is it now? I know it’s unfair that JD puts their name on this junk, but they need to compete and this is the only way they know how. My JD (LA120) with the k66 kit and a snow blower was able to handle it extremely well. Both transmissions are acting as if they’re 90 years old. I do have one problem–the new left axle seal is blowing oil like a BP oil rig in the Gulf. This morning (Wednesday) I installed the tires as Roger said. I own a Craftsman DYS4500 that has the Tuff Torq K46 Transaxle in it that is experiencing the same heat related “slippage” issues as others on this forum. My JD is an L118, which was described as an “entry level model”, insinuating that I should not expect it to last. My LA140 tractor with 600 hours on it has started slowing down and losing power. otherwise great machine) I bought the mower in 2004 and in 2006 had my first transaxle changed out…. I am all for a class action suit for the faulty manufacturing of the hydraulic transmission on the units. Direct drive could have been better. If not, it should be expanded to include all of them as well. In 2010 the front deck rod came off twice costing me $25. The JD sits under a tarp because I am sick and tired of trying to keep it working. I am having the same issues regarding inclines. The power has been great, and I have not problems at all with the transaxle now. Well I’m glad to see I’m not alone. I then very carefully removed all the bolts and opened it up. I did a lot of research and there are manuals you can buy to do it yourself; you’ll save some money buying the transmission separately, but you have to run around and get all the parts. I to have a John Deere Lt190 same problem,My understanding it’s the hyd.pump that’s the problem.How is this law suit coming ? Jens. Home Depot only gives a customer the option of repairing the mower, no refund or replacement. Currently in development: Super 500 and X300R. It looks and feels like a paper type material and did not disintegrate after washing with gasoline. John Deere, isn’t that supposed to be a brand that builds those great farm implements, My LT150 has the same issue as described. It barely moves when I back up especially going up a very small hill (not steep at all). I believe without having deep pockets it is my best option and I hope all the raving comments from others about the upgrade will come true for me too. The estimated delivery date is for Tuesday Sept. 1th.. FedEx usually travels this route in the late afternoons so it will probably be Wednesday before we get started on installing it. The performance did NOT improve, although I did not take the transmission apart and look at the filter. I have actually taken the xmsns apart and cleaned the filters with degreaser, reassembled with fresh oil and they worked fine. What difference did it make? Adding to the problem was the new owner never realized the Lxxx was not approroprite to mow 2-3 acres of hilly lawns. It will not move anymore. Tuff Torq Genuine 1A646083050 Transmission Cooling Fan 10 Blade White OEM. Phew! I highly recommend the upgrade to anyone considering it. With no way to change the fluid, or access to the drive unit at all, I’m basically screwed! 4 good years and no problem, this year junk. I bought my L130 from a big box store in 4/04 after reading in a leading consumer magazine that John Deere tractors were recommended. I found the rubber plug described above and removed it, and then came to my computer to see if I could determine what type of oil to add to the trans. Lowe’s extended warranty. my next mower will be some other color then green. I’d highly recommend this upgrade to anyone who need to fix their mower. NOT IN MY CASE, and not in the case of all those that expressed their disappointment by leaving comments or signing the form. Trust me it wasn’t easy removing all the fluid but it was a whole easer than putting down a few grand for a new mower. Anybody want to start a class action law suit? Maybe the JD large farm tractors are still a good machine Let me know if you proceed with the class action. This begs the question: Which is best, upgrade to a “G110 clone” for that price or buy a new X500/X700 series for another $5000-$7000. Going down the steep embankments it just crawls every so gently. However, I bought a Lawn Tractor 10 years or so ago that should not have this problem, the LX277AWS. I would love to upgrade it but the cost is high. I removed the inner 3 bolts (shown in the above picture dated Sept 14), but it appears you need special tools to remove some “pins” holding the clutch together with the shaft and some kind of lever. It may be awhile, as I know a few of the parts are totally out of stock and must be ordered from JD’s suppliers. Tuff Torq K66 K66C D100 John Deere Transaxle Upper Housing MIA880484, 835414620. I call this product a fraud, lets get the word out so other people don’t fall into this trap. 1) Why did this happen? ©2000-2020 - TractorData™. I was fearful that they used the same transmission and I’d be in the same boat. Will, I totally agree with you about the class action lawsuit. Like every one else I thought JD produced a good reliable product. ( becuase i did some calling around to other shops about my problem and was told how much it will probably cost to fix my transaxle). I mow almost ten acres with a few hills and am sure the trailer loads were the killer even though the 54” deck is quite heavy. I’m glad that I stumbled back onto your blog. Any help would be appreciated. You will find an adjusting screw on the engine, next to the cooling fan enclosure. I see I’m not alone with my poorly performing L130. Although I have admit I will most definitely sign up for Roger’s K72 when he has it finished. Still waiting on Jens to post about pulling the clutch out of his old tranny. Turn the Fulcrum Shaft clockwise slowly until the Axle Shaft stops and mark the Transaxle Case. I am sick of customers buying a D and expecting a X. Like I have an extra grand to just toss at my mower!!! Deere needs to know that their design and quality assurance has suffered while the prices continue to climb. All of this talk about the K66 to fix my $200 mower,thats too expensive. Nothing else to buy. Seats & Hitches. It’s ovious from the many comments, and my own experience, that they have no intention of standing behind their products. Great!!! Not much. I am sure it is the k44 transmission but again no way to change hydraulic fluid?? Minimal improvement. Yea thats right, think I should have got a sears .Dont have much good to say about jd equipment. It is a sealed trans, the cost is over $700 for each trans. Tuff Torq, like most businesses, build their products to SUIT THEIR CUSTOMERS. I got the next to the last upgrade kit Roger had and could not be more pleased. I appreciate the information listed here, particularly about the husqvarna. I did the work myself each time and I decided that I just don’t have the time to devote to repairing it every year. I brought it up a few days before you did and I see that no one on this forum had mentioned it before us. Another good resource is Derrick Dalton, TT Customer Service (866) 572-3441 I have a John Deere D140 with less than 300 hours on it . I want to share his comments: “Greetings from a very ECSTATIC customer! Jim…Akron, Ohio. Let us know how the upgrade went! I only got three and one half seasons from my JD. They can’t supervise the operation of each and every machine they sell. Received my K66 upgrade yesterday (Tuesday) in two separate shipments…..(guess FEDEX needs to get better organized and start to save gas). 142 Hatley Rd        The fact that you cant change the oil and John Deere’s policy of not filling them with the fluid Tuff Torque recommends really hack me off. My john deere lt150 starts slipping after about 20 minutes of mowing……let it set for a couple of hours and it will run for 15 to 20 minutes and not pull again……what a bummer…. It still basically has all the origional stuff on it. I live in the Mississippi Delta region. A 600 dollar part is infinitely cheaper than the option of an upgraded K66 and/or a new tractor. The installation was a breeze. Thanks for your time and effort on this, it does give me more options. My upgrade was delivered in two shipments, FedEx Air and Ground. Over time it gets pretty sloppy and hard to steer. It still “groans” more than I believe it did when new. As an interesting side note, in my research of Tuff Torq, I noted that the K46 Transaxle, which we know as the standard item for the X304 and lower, recommends tires not larger than 20″, but JD puts 22″ tires and wheels on them… So, I have to wonder if they haven’t put out this product knowing it was doomed to fail…. I too have a JD L120 which is 5yrs old. I will not buy another John Deere mower that is for sure. no hill climbing- very slow reverse. couple of times, wiping it off after each “dip,” until you get a clear picture of the oil level. With over 500 K66 Upgrade Kits sold, we have nothing but rave reports. You get what you pay for, buy a real commercial duty machine from a dealer and actually know how to run/maintain the equipment. They have been installing those transmissions since the days that they built the 115. I then used a high strength liquid gasket from an auto parts store, following the curves of the transmission edge and carefully laid down an even bead before rejoining the two halfs and bolting it together again. To drain the transaxle, there are two drains on the bottom of the transaxle. After doing a lot of reading and finding that there were a lot of other people having the same problem with their K46 tranaxles as I was having, I noticed a posting from Roger. I never hardly have any problems other than a spark plug coil burnt out while mowing. Regarding the LTxxx series: There are too many substantial differences between the LTxxx and the Lxxx series, which the kits were designed for, to make the kit impractical to install. Do not use this increased rpms continuously. I am disappointed but not completely surprised- we live in an era of selfishness and greed. I sure there are more that I missed. What a disappointment, it is even worse than ever before…. La150 junk second trans an it has gone out junk junk junk. Finally took it to the dealer here in Maryville, TN. Boy was my intuition right. No slam on Roger Daisley, but on the face of it it looks like he’s doubling his money. With hundreds of upgraded tractors, we have received nothing but rave reports. I’m looking at a used JD…model GT235…do you know if this model has the Hydro problem…thanks, Nelson. Maybe every one has a bit part in this play. the washers are less than a dollar. And buy it on faith. Their should have been a fix or upgrade. Don’t feel bad Jens, when you say you are thinking of tearing the transmission apart, that got me thinking how fun it would be to take pictures of mine! ..fixing mowers to get the lawn looking good. Thank you all for this information, too bad know this sooner. I am disappointed in the John Deere name at this point. (Fill cycle takes a VERY LONG TIME due to the small 3/8″ I.D. Where in the world do they come off with that.. Is that how they build them? I have replaced all of the bearings on the deck. I read this entire thread with interest over the weekend. Always babied and well taken care of. A new plug (the dealer called it “valve”) costs $18.- but was not in stock. I also used a lot of paper towels to clean any remaining fluid and grit, being careful not to dislodge any parts. K66 replacement is now $1600.00. June 28, 2017 ————- Anyone know why that is? that I am following. rear wheels. it work good should last long time that what i did on my tractor i use it for pulling heavy loads all year long i even pull over 1000 pounds of wood up hills no problems several times. Since only 1/4 acre, mower doesn’t have a lot of hours on it and looks new with nothing else wrong with it. Changing the transmission fluid and installing new fluid may indeed fix your problem! FYI: I’m considering setting up a “Refurbishing and Upgrade” service. This was my first riding mower and I know it’s going to be my last John Deere. Changing the oil did not help. “Quality and Service Better Than You Expect.”. short life, poor build quality and expensive to fix. I have been searching the net for a illustrated repair procedure to rebuild the transmission. All smaller lawn mowers use the K46 transaxle. Very interesting. The new thrust bearing kit is upgraded over the stock components, and the new center case includes a slightly different internal dampening system that uses a small screen/filter instead of the balls used at the end of the springs in the stock dampening valves. a "standby" belt It will NOT require repairing/rebuilding every 200 hours. He will help you select a mower for your terrain. For the $665 I hope I can get 5 or 6 years out of this tranny. Just a reminder: If you want a kit, you better get your order in ASAP, as there are less than 20 kits available. Just curious if anybody has done this, and if so what is the best place to drill the hole. (New kits being shipped now have this problem corrected.). I am experiencing the same issue with my L145 JD with only about 112 hours. I cut grass on my 115 automatic JD and parked it for a few min. hi i have a john Deere 235GT and the hydrostatic drive unit broke took it to my local dealer in Grand Ledge, MI had it a week and didn’t fix it, they were to busy setting on there bottoms so I took it home, ordered parts and rebuilt it myself. legal that they were not going to do anything. Have you received any help on your front axle problems? I recently also read a blog concerning the overpowering of the Lawn Tractors with higher horse power motors to compensate for bigger decks and transmission issues. Maybe I should only use it as a lawn ornament!??? The last comment and 95 other comment(s) need to be approved. It just went again in fall of ‘09. Plus the dealer didn’t tell me about how long the trany would last when he saw my very hilly property. It’s just a way to get their name out there more at a lower price. I’m sure you guys realize that the needs from Lowe’s, home depot, tractor supply ext. Now 3 yrs. I am not going to put another penny into the JD junk ever again, but I will try to adapt that 1200$ snow blower attachment to my Craftsman so I don’t have to toss out another JD piece of junk. Thank you. And that's plenty. Can use it for a couple hours without issue but expect next week when I go to use it again will have same problem. Stop buying cheap junk at Home Depot and Lowes! We have sold out of all our initial supply of 150 K66 transaxle kits. They engineered, manufactured and sold a substandard part. Called JD again and asked why there was no way to regularly change the fluid I given the run around after asking for an inside schematic of the transaxle. Same problem. sign me up or let me know how to sign up for the lawsuit! Being a senior citizen (69) I thought I had bought a mower that with good care would last me the rest of my life. It went in without a problem and what a difference! I have all the same symptons as everyone else. I had everything removed and prepared and was waiting for the new kit to arrive. I would NOT suggesting replacing the transaxle with the same unit. Hello again Will, John Deere L120 L130 Transmission AM131580. Both my boxes arrived Portland and this morning at 8:15AM they continued their journey, but I don’t know if your delivery is on the same route my upgrade is heading? They do not compete at all with any of the other machines. In 2012 or 2013 rear wheel axle seal needed to be replaced, so they replaced it under the john Deere warranty. (I did the same thing!) We have replaced the fridge and replaced the circuit board, dishwasher 2 times, cooktop, and repaired the washing machine. Help, my grass is growing too high. Luckily only a portion of my 2 acres is hilly, but I have had to stop mowing the hill because I can not make the hill. 2) Reach in and remove the two oil caps from the transaxle – wipe dirt away first. That being said, I can count on a mower having the trans replaced every 100 hours! I went across the street and purchased a Z-Force Cub Cadet zero turn mower, WOW what a machine! John deere you owe me $87.60. and i know they are sold in deere dealers to but they also have the premium line whitch is 100 times better than a l series. I’ll let you know how I made out after I put everything together again. I just tore my lx266 apart because my tractor would not go. Is your upgrade kit only for JD products or is there a K66 upgrade for my 2004 Craftsman available? I’m guessing that the fluid they put in initially was non-synthetic. An upgrade just makes sense …ask any of our 300+ upgrade customers. It ran fine on flat sections and even slight inclines, just not the hills – So, if you do decide to change the oil, do me a favor and let me know how it all worked out! Started to lose the ability to climb . My father has the 340 and after 400hrs guess what? I am South of Washington D.C. in the local Maryland/Virginia/ D.C. area. I have looked at other brands in the same price range and personally feel most are basically “cut out of the same cookie cutter,” with some variations. . Pullman, WA 99163. Any ideas? It was half the cost of the mower. this is the first site I found, and it seems, by the above comments and experiences that it will be a total waste of time. Add me to the suit. I show up at the dealer. Thank you to every one who has contributed to this discussion, you have just saved me from spending US $2700 on a John Deere 1332PE snow blower. 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